Friend on anti-Catholic soapbox again

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Friend on anti-Catholic soapbox again
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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 1:22pm

Its me again with my bi-weekly spouting session. Today, in mixed denominational Christian company, a fellow Catholic and I were discussing our local parish and the *instant* the topic of Catholocism hit the table, my friend jumped in with her anti-Catholic commentary. Today she said it is said in the bible that we are to "beware of churches that are repetitive or ritualistic". Also, that "no man is closer to God than I, Jesus Christ" and that Confession doesn't make sense because no Priest is necessary for one to communicate with God and be forgiven.

!! I was speechless.

The only thing that came to my mind to retort with was to ask exactly where in the Bible these things are said so I could read it for myself, but I just didn't bother. I don't mean to bring negativity to the board, but it is interesting to hear how other Catholics would handle these sorts of scenarios. Since I am a relatively new Catholic, I am just stumped by a lot of her comments. Not only that, even if I *was* prepared to debate her, I don't know if I would. It is my opinion that one should never insult or put down anothers spiritual beliefs right to their face. Thats just how I feel.

So, what are your thoughts on this? I don't know what I need more, a class on debating in general, or more Catholic ammo. Scripture... references to the bible. She also made mention that the Mass doesn't include enough books from the Bible, that we ignore a lot of important material and focus only on Gospel. Thankfully, my friend corrected her on that (I was too busy staring down at my hands, speechless).

Anyhow, can't wait to hear opinions. This is a contiuous source of strain in my relationship with this gal.

Thanks! Chatty

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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 1:29pm

A protestant is a protester.

Catrina now
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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 3:37pm

Have you purchased the little booklet I recomended to you last time? "The Catholic Church has the Answer" by Paul Whitcomb Both of these new examples, vain repetition and confession, are fully explained.

On a personal note, how dare anyone assume that while I am praying and meditating that they know what is in my heart!! I would never assume to take on the roll of Christ and peer into someone's heart and call them vain!! That is so outragious!!!

Another quick personal note: People pay $50-$100 per hour to a phsyciatrist....I tithe for the same reason and my priest can advise me from the word of God. Can a therapist do that?

There are two other long winded questions pretaining to confession. I urge you to by this little book. By two and give it to your "friend". By now, I'd would be considering the true nature of this friendship.

Peace be with you.

Kimberly




Edited 3/17/2005 11:42 pm ET ET by kimberly_sahm
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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 3:49pm

Chatty,


It seems like we've had variations of this conversation before ... so I won't bore you with the same advice. ;-)

 

 

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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 5:23pm

Thank you all for your advice. Yes, Maria, I realize this sounds redundant. Its the same ol' issue underneath it all, but just different specifics that she's stumped me with. I guess I don't know how to handle her questions "on the spot" like that. She picks issue by issue, and just when I feel prepared about *one* thing, she's onto something else the next time I see her. Know what I mean? And I feel sorta silly saying "Well, I don't know what to say about *that* but I *do* know how to respond to what you said *last* time, so lets go back to that..." I wish I could take one of you confident, Catholic knowledge-filled ladies to group with me for support. I would love to see her react in company where she is truly challenged by someone who really knows what they're talking about. Unfortunately, that is not me right now. My own journey to what led me to convert to Catholicism is a whole 'nother thread, but I am still "green" in it, and at least her comments are really making me realize that. I have SO MUCH to learn... I am scared to learn it all, sometimes. What if I find that I don't agree with it? What if I come across something that doesn't sit well with me?? Its a tough place to be, spiritually, but totally necessary for growth.

I do really enjoy my friendship with her 90% of the time, its this other 10% of the time that gives me grief. She is such a good Christian and great gal, wonderful mother, loyal friend, its just the topic of our different denominations that causes me hurt. And I trust she doesn't realize how she's making me feel, otherwise I don't think that she would would continue this banter.

Well, thanks again, hope you all don't mind my posts about this. As soon as I arm myself with some more literature, I will be able to look it all up on my own. I will definitely get the book that was mentioned in this thread by Kim.

Any more advice is welcome. (Hope I'm not annoying anyone!?)

Chatty

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Registered: 03-14-2005
Thu, 03-17-2005 - 7:51pm

Hi Chatty,

My thoughts on this are... maybe God is continuing your friendship with this person to "challenge" you to delve deeper into your faith. She obviously has you thinking about the whys of the Catholic church and following up with solid research and knowledge. Or, looking at it the other way, the devil could be challenging you to crack under pressure and eventually start questioning it yourself. Pray that it is God leading this.

Either way, my advice is to continue to learn more about your faith and use that knowledge to inform someone else who might be more open to it and not just want to bash it. Also, you certainly don't have to respond to this person other than to tell her that her comments are hurtful to you and you would like her to either rethink her questions to make them more appropriate or not talk to you about it at all. Last, pray that she is encouraged to find these answers for herself and is led to conversion with your humble attitude being a factor.

That's my 2 pennies :)

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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 10:22pm

All of us at one time or another have been scared. I think it's where that good ol'fire and brimestone protestant view of God comes from. Some believe you must fear God in order to what? learn? obey? acknowledge? worship? I du'no...I certainly don't fear God myself....at least not anymore. I have come to learn what makes God happy and I listen to him through Sacred Scripture and through my heart. That doesn't mean I have stopped sinning or that I have it all figured out, far from it! You just have to make a small investment in research and asking questions...salvation is the pay off!! I am not affraid of my salvation. I know I will have to be "baptized by fire" when I die to pay for my sins. I owe at least that!

And do you agree with everything your husband has ever said? Do you agree with everything your mother ever told you? Are you so obedient to your employer that you would jeapordise your position just to do as you are told? And the person you voted for, do you agree with EVERYTHING s/he said and does?

What makes you so sure that you have to 100% hook, line and sinker agree with everything our Church says is right? Once you find something you struggle with, pray about it. You will find the answer in prayer and in talking with other Catholics about your position---positive or negative. The church is supposed to be inflable, but we all come from different points of view. If I see everything in black and white from a poverty stand point. And if you see everything in rosie color b/c you have always had a few extra dollars after pay day, then our POV's are going to be differnt. Religion is no different. You may see my prayers as "vain repetition" but until you walk a mile in my shoes and see my POV (thus a glimse into my heart)You'll see that we probably want the same thing...I just have a different way of getting there than you.

I hope that makes sence. You really should buy copies of that booklet. I believe I posted some links to it (and other books) in the previous thread about your friend.

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Thu, 03-17-2005 - 11:47pm

Chatty,


No, no, I meant that *I* would be the one sounding redundant with advice, not you. And you are not annoying anyone at all. My question was meant in the spirit of ... Well, let's say you have a friend who has a headache, and you say, "Hey, I've got Advil" and someone else says, "Advil's good. How about Tylenol, too?" And then later on you run into that friend and ask them, "So, still have that headache? What worked for you? Did the Advil or Tylenol help?" It was meant in that spirit.


OK.

 

 

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