peeved & need advise

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Tue, 06-01-2004 - 5:03pm

I love VBS.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-01-2004 - 6:19pm
Hi Kimberly, I think it varies from parish to parish. In my church, the kids 5 yrs and up go to religious formation classes every year from the 1st week of October through the middle of May. Some classes are, of course, preparation for 1st Holy Communion and Confirmation, but the "in-between" years are for continuing education. They are "off" for the summer, and therefore we don't have VBS. For older children (8-12) and teenagers there are weekend retreats during the summer that are awesome.

During the summer they have an "institute" for adults where they offer an extremely wide range of religious topics that are taught by our own parish religious educators, as well as visitors from all over the country. I guess maybe they figure they concentrate on the children 9 months out of the year, and the summer is more for the adults? I don't know, but I sure do enjoy the classes!

Perhaps you could do a bible study in your home with other parents with children of similar age? It could be as simple as renting some religious children's videos, coloring, and just talking about Christ in their lives. Christian bookstores have a lot of inexpensive material that you could use for inspiration. I've done this before and find it fascinating to listen to children discuss God!

One of my best friends, who is an Episcopalean, often jokes that an Episcopalean is a Catholic without all the rules and regulations. From what I understand, in discussions I've had over the years with my friend, and high school history; the Episcopal church is a "sister" church of the Church of England and is sometimes also known as an Anglican Church. I am not sure if they are all one in the same or sects of the same church. It was started when Henry VIII (who was Catholic) was not allowed to divorce his wife because she couldn't bear children. He wanted to bend the rules so he could get around Canon Law, but ended up breaking away from the Catholic Church and creating his own church. He was at heart a Catholic, so many of their traditions are the same; he only wanted to get around those pesky rules so that's all he changed; in the beginning everything else stayed the same. Epsicopaleans today observe Holy Communion, Ash Wednesday, Pentecost, etc. but I don't think they have actual Sacraments as we do. Communion can be taken by all baptized persons, they don't have confession or reconciliation, there isn't such a stigma with divorce, and they do condone artificial birth control, although NOT abortion. Their Reverends can be married, and they allow women to be Reverends. They offer wonderful services to the community here, and are extremely active missionaries. They do have their controversies, as with the newly appointed (openly gay) Bishop, but sadly I guess we all have our scandals.

These are just my observations and knowledge from participating in a specialized program and having a friend who is Episcopalean. If I am wrong, I do not mean to offend anyone.

Peace be with you,

SamIam

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Registered: 04-09-2003
Wed, 06-02-2004 - 2:41pm
In our area (Archdiocese of Chicago), I do not know of any parishes that offer VBS. When I was a kid, I went to either a Baptist one or Lutheran one with the neighbor kids. I did not know Catholic parishes did this.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 06-02-2004 - 3:03pm
Not all parishes offer VBS. It really was a protestant idea but has been picked up by many Catholic churches. Why don't you talk with the DRE and volunteer to plan and run the VBS next year? You could make it for 15-20 kids limited for the first time, first come first served.

The Episcopal church would not be a bad alternative. They are a "Protestant" church however very close to Catholic theology. They believe that the Church of Christ is made up of the Anglican, Eastern Rite and Latin(Roman) Catholic Churches. They consider themselves catholic not protestant. Their Ordinations are not valid (even though they do wear Roman collars) therefore they only have two valid Sacraments, Baptism and Marriage.

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Registered: 03-29-2003
Wed, 06-02-2004 - 9:54pm
I am thrilled you are so interested in the Catholic Church because I have challenged the Church (& my faith of course) since I left Catholic school. In many ways, Catholics practically seem to equalize themselves to Mormons (at least i do) because I don't consider going outside of my own religion in convenience reasons. VBS was the way to learn about the Bible in grade school in the summers that I attended with friends (now that i recall) from the neighborhood, and I don't remember what religion it was. I think you're totally right to invite all religions to it if you have the program. Best of luck or shall I say many blessings are wished to you in your ministry. I won't disagree with you, it's just that some folks i'm afraid are strayed in their own belief system because they're confused or not baptized Catholics or just too far from reality like me sometimes. I have actually heard before Episcopalian is the closest religion to Catholicism.

I just don't remember . I think there's a difference between "What's a Catholic?" and "what is catholic".

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Thu, 06-03-2004 - 12:57pm
Kimberly -

1. Here is a link to information about the Episcopal Church http://www.stjohnadulted.org/episcopl.htm


2. Not all churches (Catholic or otherwise) provide VBS during the summer months. Our parish has done it in the past - about 20 years ago when my children were of that age. I taught and coordinated the program during some of those years. We haven't done it in a very long while. I'm not certain why it hasn't been done since. It could possibly be difficult finding people to help with the program with so many women working out of the home now. I have the feeling that if it were offered again in my parish that the problem would not be finding children to participate, but adults to work in the program.

3. The Pope's statement had to do with sports conflicting with Church on Sundays.

4. In our area, people aren't so much shuttling during the summer, but the children are enrolled in various forms of childcare or other programs because both parents work.

5. Some parishes (in our diocese) still have VBS and some do not. So it's not the norm. And even when our parish did have VBS that long ago - not all parishes in our diocese offered it.

Ruth

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Thu, 06-03-2004 - 1:56pm
Our Parish started VBS last summer. It was a huge success. My ds didn't get to go because that was the week of our family vacation. This year I didn't get him signed up in time because of his health problems so he won't get to go again. I'm not exactly sure how or where our Parish came up with this. I believe it was started up by a few moms. They must have somewhere they get their supplies for it. Last year's theme was about the jungle and this year its about the ocean. Really cute catchy phrases they use and all sorts of propaganda. But not like anything I've seen at any Protestant church.

They only enrolled a certain amount of kids like ages 3 - 8 or something like that. Don't quote me on that. They have a lot of kids volunteer that are getting confirmed next year for their hours they'll need. From what I heard, it was great last summer.

So great, they are doing it again this summer. If you want I can try to get you more information on it.

Carmen

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Registered: 06-19-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 8:59am
When I was a kid, I went to either a Baptist one or Lutheran one with the neighbor kids.

Me too. My mother had a therory that it would make me a better Catholic if I experienced other Christian religions. I was encouraged to attend VBS with friends and discuss anything that did not match my CCD teaching afterwards. She said my Confirmation would mean more to me if I freely chose to be Catholic.

It worked. The first year I lived away from home, a neighbor invited me to her church. I declined because I had plans to go to Mass. She "attacked" my religion by saying that "A Catholic baptism was not a real baptism." and "Catholics are not Christian because they don't read the Bible." I simply replied that the Bible says, "One Lord, One faith, One baptism." (Something a very nice pastor at one of the VBS I attended told me when I told him I was Catholic.) It was hard to believe that there were people who had such misconceptions. Eventually I moved back to my hometown. We have a large Catholic community and if you are not Catholic, you at least know someone who is.

Sharon

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Sat, 06-05-2004 - 12:21pm

((kimberly))..A Lot of VBS has to do with Budget too.


Here, we have a running record of VBS every year.

 

 

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Tue, 06-08-2004 - 12:51pm
Amazing how people who claim to be Christian can attack what they don't know. When I was a kid, I went to Catholic school, as do my kids now. So I was surrounded growing up by other Catholics. Learning about other faiths was interesting and helped me know my friends better. I suppose, in a way, it was a way to practice the apostalic (sp) part of our faith when we Catholic kids would say things like "we believe this or that" at VBS. Taught them a thing or two about our faith. I have sent my kids to the VBS with friends over the years, as a summer activity and to experience other faiths. Good idea your mom had! I figure if my kids know about another religion, it makes their faith stronger and shows them what others believe and to respect that. All 3 of mine are now confirmed and as teens practice their faith. And they have fond memories of VBS with their neighborhood friends.
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Tue, 06-08-2004 - 5:47pm

Sorry it has taken me a while to get back on....


Thank you for the information

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