Really disappointed at Notre Dame

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Really disappointed at Notre Dame
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Fri, 03-20-2009 - 10:59pm

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Fri, 03-20-2009 - 11:15pm

I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 1:11pm

At the risk of

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 6:58pm

okay,
small riot indeed,I know I haven't been around much lately but,,,
if you are Catholic, YOU ARE PRO-LIFE.... period,and if you are NOT PRO-LIFE I hate to break it to you YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC,,none of this well I am Catholic but believe in abortion that's like saying...I have a dog from the feline line..HELLO EITHER YOU HAVE A DOG OR CAT. as far as I know they haven't found a way to inbreed them,,YET...
...........................................I think it is WAY hypocritical and this is exactly what confuses people about the Catholic Religion...it's horrific and I am so upset I can not even put my thoughts in words that are intelligent enough to look like English..
.........I am not PICKING ON ANYONE SO PLEASE LET'S NOT GO THERE AND I AM NOT "MAD" AT ANYONE RATHER THE SITUATION BUT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you can not have your cake and eat it too..................this is a Catholic PRIVATE institution so the gov't has nothing to do with it's running or philosophies and being Catholic should stick to it's morals.................it might not be up to the government to tell us if abortion is legal or moral or illegal but IF YOU ARE CATHOLIC IT IS IMMORAL, A MORTAL SIN AND MURDER...so how can we try to sanctify this??????????????? or for that matter condone this behavior????????????????what is the saying///////it is easy to do the "in" thing and not so easy to do the "right" thing....
I am leaving a message or comment or whatever you want to call it and I am having my whole family do it also.......things like this is what divides the Catholic church with it's "today" and "modern" thinkings..............I only wish I could say this without the animosity I am feeling so no one becomes offended, PLEASE REMEMBER IT IS ONLY THE SITUATION I AM UPSET WITH....EVERYONE CAN HAVE THEIR OWN POINT OF VIEWS THAT IS WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT...its just that "I" happen not to agree with this one and it hit's close to home................................there is such a thing as quilt by association.......by them having him there, it gives the connotation that the school agrees with his philosophies and beliefs..................oh I am so enraged I think I will just stop now because this is not a debate board and I COULD GO ON AND ON. LOL which anyone that knows me,,,knows just how much that is.....lmao

.I am writing on a new computer, a mac and haven't figured out how to work it within the ivillage realm lol and when I post it does not have paragraph breaks thats why all the ....,,,,,,and????? lol sorry about that............................

I am also sorry this is the time I picked to post after not being on in a few months lol but I love all my Catholic sisters........................

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 9:00pm

The question of "how Catholic should Catholic universities be" has been around for quite some time.

Large Catholic universities with Division I sports teams seem (to me, anyway) to have an especially hard time maintaining a completely Catholic identity. This is a source of conflict within the universities themselves. Boston College, for example, created something of a furor when they put crucifixes in the classrooms (I believe it was at the start of this past academic year). Even among the faculty, there was a lot of dissent. Catholic universities, unlike your local Catholic school, are staffed with many, many non-Catholics, who help maintain the prestige of the university - which allows the institution to continue to thrive.

Incidentally, Catholics (including clergy and religious) voted for Obama at the same rate as the rest of the population - meaning the majority. I was among them, as were others on this board.

Kelly

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 9:17pm
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words!!
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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 9:42pm

AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE AND ELECT WHOM EVER WE CHOOSE TOO.................................I HAVE NO PROBLEM FOR THE "MAJORITY" BEING VOTED IN, WHETHER I AGREE WITH THEIR PHILOSOPHY OR NOT...........................................................................NEVER SAYING I VOTED FOR HIM OR NOT.............................THIS IS AMERICA...AND I LOVE IT.......

BUT AS I SEE IT THE "STAFF" IS GETTING PAID TO TEACH WHAT THAT "SCHOOLS" CURRICULUM AND PHILOSOPHY IS.... UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THAT OLE SAYING,,,,,""""MONEY TALKS""""""""" AND SADLY PEOPLE FLUSH THEIR IDEOLOGY DOWN THE TUBE FOR THAT

FALSE GOD

.........................................WHY THEN FUNCTION AS A QUOTE UNQUOTE "CATHOLIC" UNIVERSITY IF YOUR IDEOLOGIES ARE NOT????

IN A PERFECT WORLD????????? THE UNIVERSITIES COULD THRIVE ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS,WHICH THEY WERE INTENDED AND NOT THE MONETARY CONTRIBUTERS VIEWS.....BUT THIS IS .......NOT A PERFECT WORLD.......

AND AHHH I THINK THIS MIGHT JUST HAVE TO BE MOVED TO THE DEBATE BOARD...LOL ;)

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 10:47pm

"AND AHHH I THINK THIS MIGHT JUST HAVE TO BE MOVED TO THE DEBATE BOARD...LOL ;)"

Maybe! :)

The subject of "how Catholic should Catholic institutions be" is a subject of frequent articles in one of the most liberal of Catholic publications, America magazine, published by the Jesuits. Catholic healthcare was the cover article for last week, Catholic business schools during the month before that, Catholic universities frequently (since some of the best-known, and most controversial, are Jesuit universities). There's no single opinion on it, even among America writers and their readers.

The problem is that Catholic institutions are subject to the same pressures as every other institution. I think Catholic colleges multiply their identity problems when they take a leadership role in secular activities, such as Division I sports, or churning out business students, because those things attract a high number of non-Catholic students and faculty. While they increase the prestige of the university, they dilute the "Catholicity" of it.

This isn't new in the slightest, and, to paraphrase one argument in the recent issue of America about healthcare, the positive side of this is that it shows that Catholics in the US are no longer marginalized. These institutions were founded to provide services to people no one wanted to provide services to. The very fact that they attract non-Catholics shows that Catholic institutions have become not just mainstream and accepted, but in some cases even exalted (just look at the competition to get into Notre Dame, Boston College, Holy Cross, etc.!). The downside, of course, is that the Catholic mission gets watered down.

Honestly, I have no particular opinion about Notre Dame giving the President of the United States an honorary degree. Just pointing out that Catholic universities are entirely different from the local parochial school.

Kelly

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Sun, 03-22-2009 - 9:01am

Notre Dame has been pushing the envelope for years.

 


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Sun, 03-22-2009 - 2:21pm

lol
Hence, I suppose, the book I got for my nephews and son, not knowing at the time exactly why but...It is called,,How to stay Christian in college.....I wish It said Catholic but unfortunately THIS was as close as I could get....lol

Amazing that this MIGHT just be the "why"....sometimes we wonder and wait for an answer..lol mine just happened to be online I am thinken.....<3

Happy Sunday {{{{{{{{ cyber hugs }}}}}}}}}}}

I agree Karen,
Peace,
jeannine

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Sun, 03-22-2009 - 2:52pm
The Catholic church is not republican or democrat. It is also possible to be democrat and pro-life. I am one. Maybe they are honoring our president on other issues which fall in line with church teachings. I don't think we can say that you are not in line with Catholic teaching if you voted for Obama. You might have voted for him but not agree with the abortion issue. There are social justice issues to consider.One of Jesus's biggest message in the gospel was helping the poor and sick. Jesus practiced universal health care and he made it clear we should be evening out the playing field because God sees all as equal ~ also he never asked for financial accountability ~ only spiritual accountability. He asked people to give up everything to the poor and follow him. Many Catholics and Catholic institutuions might feel as if social justice issues and death penalty and anti-war fall in line with Jesus's teachings and that democrat ideas fall in line there. We had a republican administration that was pro death penalty, unfounded war and promoted torture. You could have a presidential candidate who was like Hitler and still against abortion. Sometimes there is a whole big picture to look at. Many Catholics and even priests and nuns are all about the global social justice and peace issues. and you can't promote peace with torture and war. Jesus said forgive your enemies 70 x 7 not torture them. But now I've gotten off on a tangent, lol. I just wanted to state that there are many reasons for voting for someone or honoring them. I am against abortion. I think it is murder and I agree with the Catholic teaching there, but to me so much is at stake for us and our kids. Who is likely to make the biggest global differerence for good in the world, I ask? Also ~ no president no matter how prolife is going to overturn Roe v. wade, sadly. A Catholic could claim it is just as much against church teachings or the message of Jesus to support conservative presidents as it is to support liberals.







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