So, just who does go to heaven?.......

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So, just who does go to heaven?.......
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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 1:19pm
I got into a religious debate this weekend with friends and family. All about who does and doesn't go to heaven. For example my teenage ds, is dating a Jewish girl and he told me that I thought she was going to hell because she is Jewish. (thats how this all started) Well, I've never said that or eluded to that so I don' t know why he said that. Then we all were talking about it. If the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, then what about the Jews? or Muslims, etc.

How do I answer that to my ds? My kids have never really asked that before. My nephew is dating a girl who is Protestant. She recently started going to some weird church that a man from her church started. She was telling my sister that all Catholics are going to Hell, blah, blah, blah. We've all heard that before. My sister didn't know what to say to her. I told her to ask her if she really thought that Mother Teresa was in Hell?

I really need some good answers for this. What exactly is the Catholic belief on this? how do I answer these questions? any help would be greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in Advance

Carmen

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:58am
Carmen:

I'm sure someone will give you a more theologically sound answer, but my off-the-cuff answer to those who tell me who is going to heaven or hell is that it isn't our place to decide. That's God's judgment call. To presume to know seems to me a huge act of arrogance -- and possibly a violation of the first commandment because the person judging is acting as God, in my opinion. It is a big enough job trying to live a life worthy of salvation, without pointing fingers at everyone else.

I think (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I misunderstand) that the Catholic Church hasn't stated if Christ's death and resurrection is only for those who believe in Him. I think the Church says we don't know who is saved, and we all must trust in God's mercy and wisdom. I know the Church has restated that the Jews are God's chosen people.

Many will tell you that Catholics aren't going to heaven because they aren't "born again." You can cool that discussion (and the Bible-quoting that comes with it) with a knowing smile and a Bible quotation of your own --- "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man..."

Things will get quiet really fast.

Polly

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 2:07pm
I agree Polly with everything you said. I did tell my ds that Jews are Gods chosen people. I really do believe that its not up to us as to who goes to heaven. My problem is when theres all those phrases in the bible about "who so ever believe in me shall have eternal life", etc. So, how can the bible say that and then say that non-Christians will go to heaven?? How do I answer that?

I have had Protestant people, Mormons at my front door, etc tell me that I'm going to Hell because I haven't been born again. I just tell them, that I'm born again every Sunday at Mass. But I like your come back too. I'm going to use that one.

Thanks

Carmen

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 11:00pm
What is the rest of that quote? "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man..."

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 8:43am
oh carmen, do anyone of us *REAL*ly know?

 

 

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 11:11am
It's John 6:53.

So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

Personally, I think it works best as a conversation stopper if you look really solemn and and almost intone it, "Unless you EAT of the FLESH of the Son of Man and DRINK His BLOOD, YOU have no life within you.." and then just look quizzical. ;-)

It is also really effective when someone is pushing you about the literallness of the Bible. I'm amazed that people will insist the world was created in 7 days, but then somehow skim over this quote and say it doesn't mean what it says.

Of course, maybe the reason it stops people in their tracks is because they're amazed that a Catholic can quote anything out of the Bible! LOL!

Polly


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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:16pm

My standard answer is that NO ONE is saved except through the grace and mercy of God.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff