How do you get EWCM before O????
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| Sun, 09-07-2003 - 11:03am |
Ok, this boggles my mind....I do not get CM or EWCM before O, and if I do, it's way up inside when I check my cp and even then it's very little so I do not know if I O or if you need to have cm to make it a suitable evn. for the sperm to live in. I keep hearing all you say, "you have so much cm or ewcm" and I don't get it b/c I don't seem to get that. All the post I read, I swear say that there is all this cm and ewcm etc., etc.......where is all my fertile cm???
Accordingly to my Clearblue Easy fert. monitor, I am about 4-5 days away from O. I am on cd 17 with a cycle about every 34 days so I O later anyways but on cd 15 my monitor detected "high fert." and it has since then. If I have "high fert." and should O in about 4-5 days shouldn't I have more cm then what I have? I always feel dry and never any cm in panties (sorry, tmi) and like I said, if I stick my finger inside to feel my cp, I can feel my cervix is more soft (not a ton) and a bit more open and if I poke around for a minute I can get a bit of very, very watery cm with not texture, it's like drinking water but that is what's up there.
Anyone else experience this or is my body just telling me I am not fertile? I am probably freaking out again but it's bothering me that I have high fert. and yet so signs of the fertile cm I need to have to make the sperm live longer than a day. My dh and I have been bding every night since 9-3 and I'm "suppose" to O on or around 9-10 - 9-11 on cd 20-21. I'm confused though, every site I read said you need to have this cm. Also, I bought some Robitussion but starting taking it too late this cycle, have to wait until next month I guess, didn't realize that you needed to start to take it from cd 1 thru O day.
Anyone help to ease my mind with this and anyone get pg with little to no cm but was sure to have O'ed???
Thanks.
Julie (29), Dh (30)
ttc #1
C 1
CD 17

Let me add that cm is no always evident with every woman...it can be easier to find if you check your cp for cm after a bowel movement..or try a few kegel exercises before checking..this can help bring it down...some women just don't have it pouring out like others do..I always used the robutussin from day one to o...1tsp a day and would do kegel exercises when I would go to check...just make sure that your fingers and fingernails are very clean due to the fact you don't want to introduce germs...the cm maybe also harder to find because of the sperm from the bding...and the watery stuff could very well be sperm..things will probably be more evident next cycle...did you say you had just got off bcp also..this can also have something to do with your cm this cycle as well...let me also add for better chances with bd..you might want to prop your butt in the air after or even during bd and stay there for 15 to 30 mins...I did this also..but directly after I always went to urinate because this keeps down on uti's....Another thing I might add...it is somewhat better to start say if you oed on the 16th cycle day about 6 days ahead of that bding every other day..because they say that if you bd everyday..then it cuts down on the sperm count...just a few ideas for this cycle or the next...you could also make sure your dh wears boxers instead of briefs for better sperm...and put him on vitamins as well..hope this helps some..
Angelia
I just wanted to empathise with you as I kept a very close eye on CM this cycle for the first time and there was virtually nothing. It worries me a great deal and I'm convinced it is the reason we've been TTC for over a year with no success. Also I have a bad habit of having long baths most days - often soon before BD - and I think this is also bad as water gets up there and probably rinses away any CM that might be there.
So I'm moving on to showers instead, and am going to start taking robittusuin next cycle.
I read some stuff about how reduced CM may be a major reason for the decline in fertility with age, as young women often get 5+ days of EWCM and older women little or none (I'm 30) - without it the sperm can only survive a few hours (I think) so to conceive you'd have to pinpoint ovulation to within hours not days.
This is just my interpretation, I hope others can provide more info but I do think it is a serious concern.
CSM
Hello again! God, I seem full of problems, questions! Well I am following some of the things you listed, just not the kegels and after a bowel movement but now I will. I am on cd 18 right now and my monitor also still read high fert. but you answered that in my previous post that it might read that for a few days but it looks like I might not O on cd 21 since thats this Thursday and I am only still at high fert. dosen't the monitor need to read peak fert. for a couple of days as well right? That is what I think I read and you posted to me so if thats the case it would have to read high tomorrow I would think? I have been positioining myself up on a pillow as well but only for about 10 min. and dh thinks I am nuts and laughs at me! I don't do it that long (butt proped up) b/c I am also afraid of uti infection. You don't think though by me checking cp that I could be "contaiminating" the cm for sperm to live do you? You know with my fingers inside, even though I do clean them I'm sure there could be live sperm in there I would think, would checking my cp kill all of them if they were inside and alive? Maybe they're too far inside for me to touch? But, like I said all that watery stuff I get, that could be sperm?
I think the watery stuff could be sperm as well but I try and check cp 12 hours or later after we've bd so it's not so much sperm. DH has been on GNC Mega Men's multi-vitimin for years and takes them everyday so that part is good! I've been off the bcp since this past March so it's been almost months and my doc said that it should be back to normal since I've had af every month since I've stopped, my af's are just 34 days now as I said, instead of 28 from the pill
Well, hope this makes sense and I hope I get some cm and a peak fert. here in the next couple of days!
Thanks once again. Are you sure you're not a doctor??? LOL.
Julie
Yes, I agree that is is a serious problem and I am only 29! I will try and check for cm now after a bowel movement and kegels, it might help, I am getting all kinds of advice on this site with the Robitussion (I started it way too late this cycle) so I will do it next cycle starting on cd 1 thru O day. I am suppose to be about 4 days from O and I'm hoping to get more cm by later today or by tomorrow but just in case, we've been bding every single day (they say every other day is fine) but like you said, we have to kind of pin point the day now and I have the Clearblue fert. monitor so I can find out exactly when I O and right now at cd 18 I am at "high fert." accordingly to the monitor and hope to have peak fert. soon this week!
Take care and good luck to you.
Julie
Well in my experience with it...I was a 30 day cycle girl..and most of my o days would fall around day 19 or later...so don't worry if it isn't there yet...because your cycle is so long being 34 days..it will most likely be..and if it doesn't you might want to talk to your doctor next cycle for tests to make sure all hormones are in correct amounts to make sure you o...and I wouldn't worry about contamination if you wash well..because if there is sperm or cm there...it won't be what is going to be used by your body if it is outside your cervix...I will get back to you more later..right now have to go for awhile...but I won't forget about you..lol
Angelia
I also want to say that I am soooooooo glad this board is here. I have no one close to really talk to about this (don't really want to tell people we're trying), so this is good for bouncing questions, ideas, and thoughts. I really enjoy this board and am very thankful for the women who are so willing to help!
Baby dust!
Faith (27), DH (27)
ttc#1, c2, cd3
Well back Aug. 22nd I went to the doc's b/c at this time I was unsure that my af's were 34 days and I did not think I was going to have an af in August and since it was already the 22nd, I wanted to go in and let my doc know I might need some Provera to help kick start it so with that being said, she tested all my horomones and thyroid and these were my results (doc's faxed the test results to me) so I looked up these results on line and is said All my tests are in the excellent range" anything under 6.0 is considered excellent on all. writing directly from lab analysis:
TSH-Thyroid: 1.79
Pregnancy test on 8-22: NEG
FSH-Folicular Stim: 4.8
Lutenizing Horomone-LH: 2.76
Progesterone: 1.35
So, as you can see I am completely normal that is why I think it's coming, I just O really late and it really sucks each month to have to wait this long to O. I have to wait an additional week or so more than anyone else to O.
Also, I did what you said this morning to check CM (bowel movement, sorry tmi) and it seemed to have worked, I had some (more than usual) stretchy clear cm after that, how did you know that worked? It did stretch in my fingers a bit, this is the first time I've seen this in that amount so this must be a good sign right?
Did you ever get your horomones checked like me above for the heck of it to see what everything was at? I did it just because I was unsure I would have af and would of believe that that same day I left the doc's af started in full force! Just didn't think I went that long without af each month but sure enough, it happened and I remember in May (I was dumb not tracking af's until July) it was long for June's af to come. It all makes sense now!
Thanks.
Julie
Sure thing! I agree, this board is great. If you read my last post back to Angeline you can see I added more info and some of my testing results for horomones last month. I am today, finally experiencing some type of stretchy cm but not a lot but more than last week. So hopefully, this will be a good sign that O is on the way.
Glad to know I'm not the only one.
Good luck
Julie
Yes very good sign indeed...the reason I know this is old trick of trade sort of thing..some women have to work to see their cm..cause usually it is where it is supposed to be..which is inside your cervix and uterus...the stretchy is definetly good..that is what you want..the more it stretches the better..and with more cycles and the more you know now..the better you will become abled to identify what you are looking for...as for the watery stuff..it could be cm, cervical fluid, or sperm...sperm can come out the next day after bd...because not all sperm lives therefore it does eventually come out the way it go in..so to speak..lol...if you want to check and don't need to take a bowel movement...then just use the kegel exercises because it is the same muscles you use to take a bowel movement..and not to forget the same ones needing strengthing to have a baby...and yes pushing a baby out is alot like taking a bm...so get ready..lol
as far as the ranges...they seem to be in place..of course each lab is different so there testing ranges can vary..this is not uncommon...so if they meet the ranges that your lab specifies..everything is usually by the books then..especially if your doctor okays them..and yes I did extensive testing all through my time of ttc..had to go twice a cycle for tests..once early in cycle to detect hormone ranges..then after o to detect o probability...more than likely also for the book..most couples that are normal...will conceive with in 6 months if charting is used...so that should brighten you spirits with all you are doing...you might also want to add to dh's criteria..the boxer shorts only rule..to not build up excess body heat...mine liked tightie whiteies so much I actually had to hide them from him in order to get him to stop wearing them..lol..good luck hope this helps...
note: not a doctor...but I do have an associate degree in nursing..and I am working on getting my bachelor right now...want to be labor and delivery nurse of all things..lol..and several years of ttcing helps as well...all kinds of books you can get on these topics at barnes and noble or books a million...
xxoo
Angelia
Edited 9/8/2003 5:03:59 PM ET by anprdp