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chouli77
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 Fri, 10-07-2011 - 12:33pm

Its a topic near and dear to my heart because not only do I have a good education under my belt (3 college degrees), but I am also a HS teacher. Some of you may be teachers, some may have children in the education system, and all of you will sooner or later :smileywink:, so this is a topic any one of you can discuss.

What do you think about education legislation out there like NCLB?

What about the current move to take the learning disabled ("ESE" or exceptional student ed) and push them out of sheltered classrooms with a specialized teacher and mainstream them with the higher academic learners?

What about teachers as a profession?

What do you think about classrooms having students who can't speak the language but are expected to learn academic content?

What about students who due to transiency and "social promotion" end up in HS who are illiterate and read at a 1st grade level?

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oopadoop
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 Mon, 10-10-2011 - 8:50pm
In PA it took an act of GOD to get a tenured teacher fired when I was there. No joke... we had a totally incompetent chem teacher in HS...he would apologize to the trash can, write out a problem and then erase because he wrote it incorrectly, the students would correct him on his grading because HE was getting the answers wrong. No matter how many parents complained nothing ever happened. He was tenured. It didn't matter that he couldn't teach without giving incorrect information on a daily basis, he was tenured. Gah! Basically, short of sexual misconduct the teachers were IN once they got tenure.

I don't know what it's like in NY state... I don't have any kids and hadn't thought to ask. Hmmm....

 


 


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tmpavlac
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 Mon, 10-10-2011 - 11:10pm
NY is the same way - apart from a criminal act, a tenured teacher won't be removed based on teaching quality/ability. Even in the case of lay-offs. They are laying off FANTASTIC teachers who are not yet tenured, because they don't have the "years of service", but are keeping on the tenured teachers who should be removed. I know of several FANTASTIC teachers who have been laid off in the past couple years in our area, simply because there isn't money in the budget for them and they are not tenured. It's a great source of outrage. One of my good friends works in the schools and while she's not a tenured teacher (she's in charge of the computer labs/technology for her district's upper grades), she is outraged at the incompetent teachers who are kept on and she has seen countless lay-offs of some innovative, motivated teachers. I suppose that's why I have such strong feelings regarding tenure. Perhaps tenure in NYS is different from tenure in other states?
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chouli77
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 Tue, 10-11-2011 - 4:31am
Well, that's sucky, because I'll bet your average Joe even here in FL thinks we're like that here. My mother actually went on a rant about NY tenure a few years ago because it was in the news.
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