Dr. Michelle, I need some input!

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Dr. Michelle, I need some input!
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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 6:51pm


Michelle, I'm hoping you see this and that it is okay that I am posting here. I looked to see if you are posting anywhere else because I don't want anyone to be offended by me asking for your advice, but I couldn't find any recent posts from you anywhere else. I posted to some of your posts over in the IUI board, though I was (and still am) just beginning to have to think about moving on to IUI. This is likely my last non-IUI cycle. I lurk around this board, not because I've had a m/c, but because a good friend/colleague of mine recently lost her baby at about 15 weeks and another friend lost her bean around 7 weeks, so I thought it would help me better empathize and be a better source of support for them. All of the women on this board are amazing and so strong. Dealing with infertility has been terribly painful and isolating for me, and as much as I hate that I've never seen a BFP in real life, I know what you are all going through is infinitely worse.

Anyway, I am on my first cycle of Clomid and although I can't remember if you ever used it, I remembered from the IUI board lurking and the lurking here that you know a heck of a lot about the overwhelming world of IF. My coverline this cycle is just at where it usually is, not higher, not lower, quite average. But usually my LP temps only go up to the high 97s, with maybe just one or two above 98. This cycle though, especially the last couple of days, my temp went up much higher than usual. I've also been experiencing hot flashes, and my day time temp average is between 98.85-99.3, which is well above my usual daytime temps. My RE told me Clomid might affect my temps while I take it, and for a couple of days after, but except for one day when I was feverish from a staph infection, my temps never did much. Is it possible that my temps are high from the Clomid now, maybe because it is supposed to help with progesterone? Women in my buddy groups think my higher temps could be a good sign, but I am reluctant to get excited and wondered if the real issue is that my temps jumped up from Clomid-induced progesterone increases. The other women I've asked about it said their temps stayed in their normal range on Clomid cycles, but I figure if anyone around here might know for sure, it is you.

If you have a moment and are willing, please let me know your thoughts. And if anyone is upset that I posted here, I sincerely apologize. I mean no disrespect of this amazing board.

Baby dust and sticky vibes to all of you.

Andrea

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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 7:03pm
I know I'm not Michelle, but in case she doesn't poke her head in soon, I hope you don't mind if I offer $.02 as well. ;) I haven't done the clomid thing, but you pointed out exactly what I was going to say -- Clomid is supposed to help prog. a fair bit, so your medicated cycle could be why you're seeing higher temps, for sure. I understand your not wanting to get excited, but I'm gonna go ahead and cautiously cross my fingers for you, kay? ;)
Kelly, who's not a Michelle, but is nosy.
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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 7:06pm

Hi, I'm sorry you're experiencing IF, I have been diagnosed with unexplained IF, but I have also had a couple miscarriages as well as a term stillbirth.

While I don't have near the experience as Michelle, I thought I'd give you my experience with clomid. My temps on non clomid cycles range in the low 96's to high 96's and my clomid cycles range in the low-mid 97's pre O and high 97's to low 98's after O.

I'm on my phone, so I can't see your chart, but have you O'd and temps went up even after that??? Cuz sometimes a triphasic chart could indicate pregnancy, but that's not always the case, and actually, for a lot of us, a perfect triphasic chart is ended with a temp drop and af. I'll keep my fingers crosses for you though!



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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 8:50pm

Andrea, hi!!!



I'm so glad you found me and of COURSE it's okay that you post here! For what it's worth I think it's SO awesome that you lurk here to try and help understand what your friend is going through. We often talk here about how people who have not suffered a loss are so detached from how devastating this is and if they could only understand the pain...well you know what I mean. I think I speak for all of us when I say that if more people would make the effort that you're making, we would all be so grateful.



As far as the Clomid and BBT, this is the consensus - although by the pp's you can see that as with all things TTC it can vary from woman to woman. I was on several Clomid cycles but was not temping at the time so I can't speak on experience here but I have had a lot of friends who did.



Normally, Clomid will cause temps to rise a couple days after starting the Clomid

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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 10:14pm
Hi, I just wanted to echo what Michelle and Torie said: it looks like you've got a triphasic chart going on, which can sometimes be an early indicator of pregnancy. Your temp rise at 7dpo could indicate implantation, too. Not that I want to get your hopes way up, but it really does look like a fantastic chart. I hope that your temps continue to stay up, up up! I will keep chart-stalking you throughout the end of your cycle - I am very curious to know how it will end!!!


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Thu, 09-09-2010 - 10:16pm
PS: For future reference, if you have more questions about charting and/or Clomid, they would fit better in the section called "fertility/charts/ovulation." There are a lot of veteran charters around here, so if you have more Qs, that is a good place to go for second opinions.


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Fri, 09-10-2010 - 12:20am


Wow! I was so excited to see that I had so many responses with good info and support! I was nervous about posting since I am treading in a board that I don't fit into, so I am extra grateful to have your help and good cheer. I didn't want to post in the more appropriate thread just in case my presence was offensive to anyone, so thanks for the invitation to do so! I'm glad you all found me down here, and Michelle, I'm so glad you didn't think I was a scary stalker!

I had one chart in the past that was triphasic for a day and then started the plummet to AF, so I am weary of triphasic charts but I do think my chart looks really different than usual. My temps are just so much higher than usual, and my hope is that the difference is too big to be explained just from the Clomid effect on progesterone, which seems to be what Michelle and some of the other posters think. Of course, the truth is, I just have to wait and see what happens next. I'm just so exhausted from the TTC rollercoaster. After trying for over a year, I found out this March that my tubes were malformed around my ovaries, so I had to have a surgery to correct that, which I did in late March. This is the 4th cycle trying since the surgery and I am getting scared that maybe the problem was only temporarily resolved, so I am putting a lot of hope into get a BFP soon so I can quit worrying about that. I'm at a higher risk for ectopic, so if I ever get a BFP I have that to worry about, but since up until now, a BFP seems unattainable, it is hard not to get a bit excited about this chart. I don't really "feel" pregnant, but I've never been pregnant so maybe I don't even know what that will feel like anyway...

I will definitely keep you updated- thanks again for all the input and baby dust cheer! Baby dust to all of you, with extra super sticky bean vibes on top!

Andrea

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Fri, 09-10-2010 - 12:23am


Kelly, your last line about being "Kelly, who's not Michelle, but is nosy" made me laugh! Thanks for being nosy and weighing in!

Andrea

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Fri, 09-10-2010 - 12:27am


Hi Torie- yes, my temps went up right after O, but then decreased to 97.8s, until the last three days when it has jumped from just above 98 all the way up to 98.3. FF isn't marking it as triphasic, but since I've been burned by a triphasic chart, what is of more interest and hope to me is that my temps are just much higher than they usually are at this point in my cycle. I rarely get out of the 97s, and then just to 98.0-98.1, so this is very different for me. Hopefully different is good!

I'm so sorry you are dealing with IF and recurrent loss, and the loss of your term baby is so heartwrenching I can't even imagine how you are coping with that. I'm just terribly sorry you had to go through something that hard and traumatic.

Andrea

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Fri, 09-10-2010 - 12:31am


Thanks, Michelle, for your input! I am excited that my chart looks different to a fresh set of experienced eyes. I've done so many chart overlays and analyzed my charts until my eyes blurred, so I wasn't sure if it really seemed different or if I just want it to look different. I do have several cycles with a familiar trajectory, and this one just doesn't follow, so I really hope it means something good for me.

I am sorry to see that you are still here- when I couldn't find you on the IUI board I got excited and checked some of the expecting clubs, so it hurts my heart for you that you are here still trying. I really hope you get your sticky bean soon. Thanks so much for being so supportive and welcoming to my post, and thank you for your take on it.

Andrea

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Fri, 09-10-2010 - 12:33am


Thanks, Nicole for the chart compliments! I usually have no problem confirming O, and i definitely have a long enough LP, but my charts don't usually earn me compliments other than on those two points, which are important but still haven't led to a BFP. I hope this will end with a happy BFP announcement!

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