Hi ladies, I am back after 5 years...

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Hi ladies, I am back after 5 years...
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 10:49am

Hi, I am Karri.

Karri

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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 12:14pm
I'm so sorry. :( If you keep having chem pg's, then why isn't he doing a series of progesterone level testing? It sounds to me that maybe low progesterone could be causing your LO's not to implant correctly.

And I'm sorry....but, anything over a 0 hcg is considered pg. How insensitive of him! Is there any way you could see another doctor? I think I would. And why in the heck is he giving you Femara? You've been pg 4x in the past year or so....why do you need meds to help you O? Seems weird to me.

Anyway, I'm so sorry this keeps happening to you...it's not fair....at all. You need a doctor who can sympathize....seriously. There's no just reason for a doctor to treat their patients that way.

{{{HUGS}}}
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 12:33pm

I think the problem lies in our perrceptions of what is happening.

Karri

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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 12:48pm
Karri, I am in agreement with you that you have probably been having chemicals. But low prog levels are NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ever going to give you a BFP. Ever. A BFP is caused by ONE thing. An elevated level of hCG. That is caused by one of two things, a pregnancy or medication. Period.
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 12:59pm
Oh and I forgot to mention that although each lab is going to have their own lab cut offs for what is considered a post test, to say that any level above 0 indicated pg isn't the case. Basically this is the rule of thumb; 0-5 not pg, 5-25 possibly pg - need follow up betas to confirm, above 25 is pregnant. So although your dr is a giant butt, he was "medically" correct in telling you that a level of 5 indicates there was no pregnancy.
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:03pm

I could be misunderstanding what you are saying, but I know that low progesterone levels do not create a positive test. What I mean is that if progesterone levels are low, it affects implantation and if implantation doesn't happen correctly, a pregnancy will not progress. His argument is that antibodies can be present that mimic HCG and will actually turn an HPT +. Not saying I buy that, but it's his claim.

Karri

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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:06pm
You are right not to buy that because it isn't true. Nothing is going to mimic hCG. Not a thing. I think you're right to consider switching OB's
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:10pm
Karri, I am sorry for your losses. I know how exciting it is to finally get that BFP only to have it fade. Just a little clarification about the number. Anything 0-2 is considered not pregnant. 2-25 is possibly, and anything over 25 is positive. I do know that if you are close to menopause, your number may be above may be above 2. I wish you the best of luck Chica!

There's a chart about half way down on this page if you want more information!!

http://www.sydpath.stvincents.com.au/tests/hCGold.htm

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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:10pm
And I do believe the 0-5 5-25 25 + rule, but what I didn't mention was that the day I had the bloodwork was the 4th day of +hpt's and it had gotten more faint, so I thought it was definitely chemical and wanted to get bloowork. I think I waited too long. 3 different tests had faint positives, so I do think I was closer to 25, as that is where the urine tests I used measure. It may be more sensitive than 25, but I question whether urine HPT's set to pick up 25+ could pick up a level of 5. Bottom line, I should have gone with the first day of faint positive and then I would have had another reading before the level of 5, which most likely would have still been in the gray area, but would have at least been trending up, then down, and shown SOMETHING happened.

Karri

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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:14pm
I totally understand. Whenever I got a faint BFP, I waited until it got darker. IMO it was easier to watch the line get lighter than to have the dr tell me, kwim? FX for ya.
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Wed, 06-29-2011 - 1:23pm
Ha, everyone who knows my history knows what I am going to say now :) First of all, urine tests that are rated at 25 miu almost always pick up less than that. I have had off name brand hpt’s (I am talking 3 for $9 kind of tests) give me a faint BFP with a beta of 3. No kidding, 3. When I got my beta back, nurse told me I was losing it and that I saw no line. I knew that was crap because 12 hours later it was visable to everyone who saw it. The beta 48 hours later was 26. As many positives as you had, I have no doubt you were pg and you’re right, I think you just got the bloodwork done too late to catch it at it’s highest levels. You’re right that had you gone in the day of your BFP you probably would have seen it be around 20 and then the subsequent betas would have shown it dropping. But even with all that said it would have changed nothing except to put your losses on record which DOES matter.
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