Dr Beer said no...

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Registered: 10-14-2003
Dr Beer said no...
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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 4:08pm
I got an email back from Dr Beer...

He said:

Unfortunately the oldest patient that was successful in my program with her own eggs was 48. Unfortunately I do not recommend that you see me unless you are prepared to proceed with Donor Eggs.


I guess I am on my own...

~*~ Catherine



~*~ Catherine, mom to three grown men - Jason, Michael & Joshua and Granma to Christopher & Leia.


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Registered: 02-17-2004
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 3:20am
I am SO sorry! I just turned 46, and have also been having a series of chemical pg's. I, too, am afraid to see a doctor because of my age. Yet as I have posted, there have been women in my family who had babies at 50. With no medical intervention.

Please keep trying. And please let us know if you find out any more info on how to prevent chemical pg's.

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Registered: 10-14-2003
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 2:05pm
Here's a few articles I found...

Chemical Pregnancy Prevention

If the causes of chemical pregnancies are chromasomal or immune - your physician can prescribe the best treatment with medications. If the chemical pregnancies occur because of a luteal phase defect, low progesterone or inadaquate uterine lining you can take vitamin B6 (at least 50 mg a day), use progesterone cream after ovulation and take one baby or low-dose aspirin a day. These will aid in increasing the luteal phase - helping the progesterone to rise and in the case of the aspirin -will aid in the blood flow to the uterus -thus helping to increase the uterine lining.

Preventing Chemical Pregnancy:

You can take vitamin B6 (at least 50 mg a day), use progesterone cream after ovulation and take one baby or low-dose aspirin a day. These will aid in increasing the luteal phase - helping the progesterone to rise and in the case of the aspirin - will aid in the blood flow to the uterus - thus helping to increase the uterine lining. Taking one baby aspirin or one low-dose (81 mg) aspirin a day may help to prevent certain early miscarriages. Baby aspirin helps with the blood flow to the reproductive organs. It helps to build the uterine lining. This can possibly help to reduce the chances of miscarriage. Possibly it helps in the prevention of antibodies that causes miscarriages.

From Babysnark.com:

There are several different reasons why a chemical pregnancy may have occurred, and sometimes the reason is just not discoverable. Some reasons include low progesterone; uterine lining is not thick enough to support the implanted egg (which may indicate low estrogen); chromosomal (genetic) abnormalities with the sperm or the egg; immune issues (see inciid.org for more information on this); possible obstructions in the uterus (for example, fibroid tumors); infections and diseases (many bacterial and viral infections can contribute to a miscarriage, including viral infections such the cytomegalic virus, bacterial infections such as chlamydia, mycoplasma, ureaplasma and streptococcus, or in rare cases, parasitic infection such as toxoplasmosis; disease, such as undiagnosed diabetes, can also cause a miscarriage); age of the mother – approximately 50% of all pregnancies over the age of 40 end in early miscarriage; exposure to environmental toxins (such as certain metals); stress; chronic illnesses (examples include thyroid abnormalities – either overactive or underactive, poorly controlled diabetes mellitus, or intrauterine adhesions (most commonly caused by previous infections or D&C's)). High dose x-rays and chemotherapy are known toxins that can cause pregnancy loss; working with chemicals long-term such as with dyes, metals, solvents or chemical production plants; maternal stresses; and heavy use of tobacco, caffeine, alcohol and drugs can also contribute to chemical pregnancies/early miscarriages.

~*~ Catherine



~*~ Catherine, mom to three grown men - Jason, Michael & Joshua and Granma to Christopher & Leia.


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Registered: 12-26-2003
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 4:04pm
Hi Catherine,

I am so sorry to hear this news. I do believe he is trying to look out for you & not just take your $ if he feels there is a better way for you.

I wish we could help.

(((HUGS)))

Lisa
Lilypie Baby Days
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Registered: 02-17-2004
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:55am
Thank you so much for that! My good friend and I wanted to be pg at the same time. She tried once, and today told me it had happened! First time out of the gate. But she is 32.

While I am thrilled for her, I am a little depressed for me. I never thought age really mattered until now, because I had my first baby at 40, second at 43(and got pg while breast feeding!), with no problem. Now it has become tougher. I am really worn out from having all the pg symptoms, getting excited and hopeful, then...the AF comes.

I guess it can still happen, but I have to start working a little harder at it. Please keep me posted on your progress, and I am sending you lots of Baby Dust!

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Registered: 02-17-2004
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:57am
A couple of other Q's, if you don't mind...

What are you taking, and why? I mean, in the way of vitamins and herbs, or other non-medical treatment. Also, what about cough syrup to thicken cm?

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 8:31am
I do understand that, and I do appreciate his honesty. I just felt it was worth asking. I am also waiting to hear back from Dr. Toth, but I don't expect a better answer.

Ah well, so we won't spend a fortune to make this baby - we will just have to keep trying till we find a good egg.

~*~ Catherine



~*~ Catherine, mom to three grown men - Jason, Michael & Joshua and Granma to Christopher & Leia.


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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 8:57am
I don't mind answering questions!

I thought the cough syrup is supposed to thin out your CM, not thicken it? I have up to 7 days of EWCM pre-ovulation, so don't think I need it.

I take Vitex and Maca for hormone balancing. Vitamin C for it's antihistamine effects - I have tons of allergies so I thought it might help dampen down any over-reactions to the foreign baby cells. Green tea capsules and EPO to increase CM. Vitamin E is supposed to do all that baby aspirin does and more. I don't take baby aspirin because my blood takes a long time to clot already. This month I am going to try using Progesta Creme starting 3 DPO, to see if extra progesterone will help. I read yesterday that extra progesterone also helps if it is an auto-immune problem.

Rob takes the Maca for increased sperm count, volume and motility.

I am currently working on drinking more liquids. I have been noticing within a few days of conception, I am feeling _very_ dehydrated, no matter how much I drink. I know I don't normally drink enough water, so I am thinking maybe I need to up my fluid intake pre-conception because last cycle I was cramping from 5 DPO - and I think it was from not drinking enough. I have an irritable uterus and I've been reading one of the best solutions is to increase your fluids.

Our vitamin regimen:

For me - Vitex (2 caps/400mg), Green Tea (2 caps/500mg), B100 complex (2 caps), Vit. E (2 caps/400 IU), EPO pre-O (3 caps/1000mg)(Flax seed oil post-O - 3 caps/1000mg), hi-potency mult-vitamin, cranberry (500mg), garlic (1250mg), Vitamin C (2 - 500mg) and 1 tsp Maca in hot chocolate.

Rob takes Ginkgo Bilboa, Siberian Ginseng, B100 complex, Flax seed oil and Vit. E (400 IU), garlic, hi-potency multi-vitamin and Maca (2 caps/750mg).

Other than that, we just BD every day or every other day around ovulation and I lay still for at least 20 minutes. Three months in a row, we've gotten pregnant. Now if I can just find a sticky egg!

~*~ Catherine



~*~ Catherine, mom to three grown men - Jason, Michael & Joshua and Granma to Christopher & Leia.


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Registered: 04-09-2004
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 10:55am
Catherine,

I just wanted to share some information with you that the Naturapath I have been seeing told me just yesterday.

Just a little background: I too had been taking Maca, my acupuncturist had recommended it to me for "hormonal balancing". Earlier this year I took it for about a month and a half and then stopped. I was also doing progesterone cream in the 2nd part of my cycle and drinking wheat grass 5 times a week. I did get pregnant but then the baby stopped growing at 7 weeks(then I found out that there had been 2 sacs).

At any rate, when my naturapath found out that I had been taking Maca he hit the roof! He told me that women should not be taking that herb at all. It is good for men but not for women. He said that it raises your testosterone levels, therebly offsetting your progesterone and estrogen. He also suggested that I may have had a miscarriage because I had been taking the Maca.

Needless to say I am a little upset about hearing this from him as I had placed great faith in the acupuncurist, but the naturapath is also an MD and says that there is a lot of evidence to suggest it is not an herb suitable for women especially if they are trying to conceive.

Maybe we all need to do a little more research on this.

Who prescribed the maca for you and why? Did they say exactly what it does in the female body?

best regards

jadu

43

TTC #1 after 4 mcs

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:52pm
Of course you need to do what feels right for you, and follow any prof. guidence that makes sense to you. Did he provide any research to back up his info? I would love to read it because, of course, I do not want to harm myself or any future child.

My understanding is that Maca balances the hormones to their natural level - not raising one more than the other. I chose to go on Maca after researching it extensively myself - I am not currently working with any dr.

I have read that some feel it should not be used in pregnancy until further research is done, but the Peruvians have been eating it and feeding their animals Maca for centuries and having success. The only thing I read against it is that it may increase breast milk production in early pregnancy and that could be a nuisance. A woman from France posted on another board that their drs are currently using Maca to prevent miscarriage. For me, after researching it - Maca seems a good choice.

Here's just some of the articles I found (sorry, I didn't save all the articles I read):

Healthy Fertility - Pregnancy demands extra nutrients for a healthy baby. Unfortunately, many of today's women are overworked, stressed and/or have a long history of taking the Birth Control Pill find that their fertility is compromised. Eating Maca Powder can be an affordable, excellent nutritional addition to every womans diet.

Peruvian women start to take maca at the age of three, then gradually include it as a staple part of their diet. They are fertile well into later life... "Laboratory studies of rats have found that they had improved fertility after eating maca - females increased egg follicle development and male increased sperm count. In Peru maca is given to livestock to improve fertility a well as strength." From Good Medicine Magazine Australia

One further supplement can be safely blended into the mix of nutrients used to preserve pregnancy a powder from a turnip grown only in the high Andes of Peru and Ecuador known as Maca. Currently Maca is being used throughout South America to prevent miscarriage and help women carry to term. It also has shown itself to provide a further benefit of increasing the birth weight of children. The average weight of babies born in Denver is lower than of babies born at sea level and Denver is only 5000 feet high. What happens at triple that in the Andes? Nothing, because the Maca increases progesterone production and this adds valuable mass to the child. The higher the birth weight the greater the chance of survival!

In the folk medicine, the Lepidium meyenii (Maca) preparations are administered for various indications , e.g.: first of all strictly as nutrient, due to high amount of standard value proteins, exogenous amino-acids, vitamins, minerals and sterols, especially in the undernutrition condition, growth, pregnancy and lactation, second of all for enhancing fertility of people and animals , which was proved in the studies on rats fed with Maca, showing about 25% increase of fertility , what is probably connected with stimulating the Graafian follicle maturation .

~*~ Catherine



~*~ Catherine, mom to three grown men - Jason, Michael & Joshua and Granma to Christopher & Leia.