Rice Cereal

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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 7:30am

I have noticed my baby is eating constantly. Last night I had to feed him for 1 hr before he would go to bed then 3 hrs later he was up again and I fed him another hour, gave him a bottle and then another hour after that. I think my breasts were totally empty and I had to give him formula.

I know one of my friends put it in her baby’s bottle and she said she put it in very liquidy and did it that way. I remember reading starting cereal at 4 months, but he is about 3 ½ months now and maybe he is ready. I just feel like he isn’t getting enough. I did call my doctor and haven’t heard anything yet so we’ll see what she suggests. Before this my baby was sleeping at least 6 hours a night sometimes even 7 or 8. However, I have read about not putting the cereal in the bottle so I am confused on what to do. Maybe I should just give him a bottle before bedtime. He is eating about 6oz in a bottle per feeding.

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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 8:56am

Sandy,

This is probably one of the most debated issues in infant care, right up there with CIO and FF vs BF. In the end, only you can make the decision based on what is right for your family.

I never put cereal in DS's bottle, in fact he didn't start cereal until he was 8 months old (he was combo BF and FF from birth). His ped was very against it, and in my opinion it wasn't the right thing to do based on the risks (starting solids too early can help contribute to diabetes later in life). However my SIL has always put cereal in her kids bottles (she has 3) and swears by it... but both SIL my brother and their kids all have weight problems. Not to say the cereal in the bottle is related, it could be genetic...

Before trying the cereal in the bottle you might want to look at your feeding schedule and feeding amounts. It might be time to change that up, and like you suggested feed closer to bed. You might also want to change to a faster flow nipple. Not that it affects the amount he eats, but he might be ready for something "more", KWIM?

Good luck with your decision.

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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 9:34am

3 months is a huge growth spurt time, he may just need to nurse more right now as he is growing. I don't do any solids before 6 months though and I have only done cereal a few times with Desmond and then it was oatmeal. Cereal is extremely low calories and he isn't really gaining much from it except empty calories, breast milk and formula have a ton more calories then cereal.

Also cereal in a bottle is generally not recommended from what I have seen. Here is an article I found on it ( http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/tipcerealinbottle.htm ). The few times I tried cereal at bedtime for Desmond, not in a bottle, he was up more often then when he just nursed before bed.











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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 10:22am

Sandy--I don't think you would find a doctor nowadays who would recommend starting food before six months. When we were young, they used to think you could start food a little earlier, but as of right now, the World Health Organization, the American Pediatric Academy, every health organization you can find is now agreed that babies should receive EXCLUSIVELY breastmilk and/or formula until six months old. Right now, David's intestines are still very sensitive and food can damage them.

I agree with Sarah that it is probably a growth spurt. If you let him nurse when your breasts are empty, that will signal them to make more milk for the next day, but if you give him formula, you will continue having a problem making enough milk to satisfy him.

If I were you, I would allow him to nurse as much as he wants, and within a day or two, your body will naturally respond to his demand by making more milk.

Here is a GREAT and comprehensive website to answer any and all questions you might have about nursing and feeding: www.kellymom.com

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Edited 3/17/2010 10:24 am ET by justadrienne
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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 11:10am
Well I just heard back from my dr and she said I can put the cereal in the bottle for him as he has all the classic signs he isn't getting enough from breastmilk/formula. I also have several other friends their doctors said to do the same.
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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 11:43am

Unfortunately Adrienne, it's ridiculously hard to find a pediatrician that follows the AAP and WHO recommendation. Most of them have been practicing for a long time, and as far as I can tell have not changed there recommendations as the research has changed. There are still a lot (probably a majority) of peds who recommend starting solids early for especially hungry babies. My ped. always looks at me like a weirdo for still breastfeeding. He doesn't tell me not to or anything (thank goodness!) But he does jump straight to recommending formula if anything is going poorly, and he always assumes I'm Ffing, I have to constantly remind him that James is BF'd.

Good luck with the decision Sandy. I would say if there's any way you can hold off until David is old enough to eat the cereal from a spoon, (around 4 months depending on how well he's sitting up etc.) that would probably be the best, as I've read a lot of research suggesting cereal in a bottle is really not good for baby. You also may want to pump after feeding to stimulate your breasts to produce more milk. Of course, you have to do what works best for you and your family, I know how stressful a hungry baby can be.

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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 11:44am

Wow I'm shocked. I mean, I guess listen to him if you want to, but it goes against everything I have ever read.

Here is a link to the world healthy organization page on breastfeeding:

http://www.who.int/topics/breastfeeding/en/

Oh, here is a comprehensive list of all the organizations that recommend not starting food until 6 months:

"The following organizations recommend that all babies be exclusively breastfed (no cereal, juice or any other foods) for the first 6 months of life (not the first 4-6 months):

World Health Organization
UNICEF
US Department of Health & Human Services
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Dietetic Association
Australian National Health and Medical Research Council
Royal Australian College of General Practitioners
Health Canada"

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html

Go to the website to link to each of these organizations webpages which clearly state you should wait until 6 months to give food.

Obviously it isn't going to kill him to give him rice cereal at 4 months, but it is against what all those organizations recommend, and they have research to back up their conclusions.

But hey, I'm not a hater, do what you think is best for your baby, that is all we can ask of any Mom, right?

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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 12:29pm
Most of my friends I have talked to have started cereal at 4 months so it isn't like I am starting that much earlier. I think it is worth a try and if he doesn't take it then I will wait until he is 4 months. I know at my last visit she did say that he could start on solids at 4 months. I know several people at my dh's work as well as my mother in law also said they gave cereal at 4 months.
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Wed, 03-17-2010 - 1:42pm

Sandy, have you tried nursing him and then adding a nice bottle of formula?
My Fede also a hungry baby, and I've noticed that by night my breasts produce less milk, so I need to supplement if I want to sleep!

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It doesn't always work like magic..... For instance, I have one breast that produces more milk than the other; I've tried everything on the "lazy" breast, putting the baby first on that one, nursing longer... it just refuses to produce the same amount as the other. Same thing with night feedings. It's like my breasts are saying "give us a break!!". I have enough milk to calm him down, but after an hour or so, he's hungry again. Not to mention that a baby could really hurt your nipples if he gets nervous sucking an empty breast. Others, like mine, realize very quickly that there is no more milk and proceed to spit the nipple and scream in righteous anger!!

But I agree with the rest. Breast milk or Formula, that's the only food a baby should have for a little longer.

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Thu, 03-18-2010 - 6:52am

I talked to my dr directly this time and this is what she advised:
She wants him to start cereal at 5 months. So she said he is just probably really hungry. She said could be a growth spurt but normally they only last a few days. I told her he falls asleep breastfeeding so she suggested feed 15 min on one and then 15 on the other and that should be more than enough. I feel empty sometimes but they say you are never really empty. She also suggested giving him a bottle as well if he is still hungry. I am going start pumping and not breastfeed as much she thinks he is using it as comfort rather than food and that is why he is falling asleep. She said he shouldn't be doing that at 3 months.

She said also he needs to learn to self soothe and put him in his crib for bed and if he cries that is ok b/c he needs to learn to fall asleep on his own. She said if he is fed he will learn to fall asleep. So I think those are the major issues and hopefully we can get back to hm sleeping through the night. Of course yesterday he had almost no naps. He did sleep from 8:30 to 4:30 this morning and I fed him 6oz of breastmilk and he was still hungry so I fed him a little more and then he fell asleep.

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Edited 3/18/2010 6:54 am ET by sandyc299

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Thu, 03-18-2010 - 11:59am

I agree with Mari. Sometimes no matter what you do the supply doesn't always watch up to the demand. You can't have a baby nursing 24/7 that will make you sore and is really difficult to do if you are a mamma working outside of the home. I did everything and my supply never even started to catch up with what Simon is demanding.


I have had people make comments about putting cerial in Simon's bottle since he was 5 weeks old. I don't think its the calories its that the cerial is a larger cell and will make him feel fuller. I have not used it though.


Sandy I am glad that you talked to your OB and have a plan of action figured out for family. Keep up the good work. :)


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